>> i think it's hard because john mccain of course had a very good relationship with the press and it's not like anyone pulled any punches at the end of that campaign either. so i think once you get to a certain level that sort of erodes. but early on i think it would have been a lot easier for him. >> but we felt like we one-day understood john mccain as somebody who rode around on his bus back in the 2000 campaign. i'm not sure journalists felt they really got mitt romney. brief thought on that? >> yeah, the fact is john mccain, reporters ran out of questions to ask him. i mean, he would talk for -- >> eight-hour rolling press conferences. >> eight hours. and i don't think anybody will do that again in the age of twitter. >> well, maybe they should. if they're secure in their own skin, if a politician is secure in his own skin and they can sit down and talk to reporters about what he really believes, okay? over and over, day after day. i think it helps him out in the end. >> a lot of republicans now want to be interviewed about the depth of this defeat. not just for mitt romney but gi